Games are not out of politics

“Games outside politics!” – quite often recently you can see or hear this phrase. Comments, video on YouTube, discussions in communities and forums. We all understand with what scandal its newly increased popularity is associated with. However, it seems to me that not all people understand that this thesis absolutely does not make sense. How no such slogan does not make sense that calls not to mix politics and something else.

The fact is that politics is an integral part of the life of any of us. Whether we want it or not, whether we have any specific positions and views or to the same, each of us feels its influence. And it’s not even about any global things as, for example, war, revolution or sanctions. The influence of politics can manifest itself in the most unexpected trifles. For example – games for games.

Eternal classic for the CIS – price tags of console versions of games often seem to us very large. Especially, against the background of price tags on PC versions, say, in Steam. But the fact is that the price tags of the console versions of the games in our region are not some kind of sky-high demands of the “greedy Sony“. This is standard $ 60. Like all over the world. Just Steam pursues a policy of regional demarcation. Games in poor regions are cheaper to match the purchasing power of the population in these regions. These regions are poor due to a very sad economic situation. I hope to explain how the economy is related to politics, it is not necessary.

Another example of the influence of politics is the prohibitions of some games in certain countries. It happens so, gamers from various states at least formally do not have access to certain projects due to state censorship. You must admit that this moment is poorly embedded in the concept of “games outside the policy”, because, despite all the stereotypes that the games are stupid shooters for children who have nothing to do with art at all, it happens that these “stupid post -shooters” are prohibited or trying to prohibit at the state level.

In fairness, it is worth noting that there are cases of self -censorship from people who publish games. The publisher can limit access to the game in a certain territory, trying to resolve the conflict that has not yet occurred in advance. Sometimes this leads to a completely opposite effect, and the scandal still happens – an example of a new Modern Warfare In Russian PS Store, passes on us hello.

But we are talking about censorship from the state or self -censorship – all this, it seems to me, stems from the fact that people in power or in large corporations have long evaluated games as something more serious than just “shooters for children”.

So. Politics clearly affects games. Moreover, sometimes in the games themselves the authors affect political topics. This happens at the request of the developers, publishers or completely unconsciously, but simply because some authors see certain things as they see them, due to their own ideological and political views.

For example, in a series of games BIOSHOCK You can stumble upon criticism of ideas Ain Rend, and in The Last of Us There is a fairly interesting look at a strong and independent little woman (no matter how strange it sounds), placed in the conditions of post-apocalypse. Of course, there are negative examples – say, in Battlefield 5 The publisher impudently hidden by the modern left-wing-liberal agenda, while he himself, in turn, tried to sell to people a not quite ready game filled with paid cosmetics.

Against the background of the above games, Metal Gear Solid‘A and other similar projects, such comments look especially funny.

There are politics in the games. Often, as in the case of cinema, literature, music, paintings and other varieties of art, it is reflected in the plot, characters, the main message, etc.D. Usually, it is only good for games. Interesting stories are born from this that pushing players both to stormy discussions and to think about some, sometimes, sometimes, and not so obvious, but still important things.

Politics affects games, the games themselves speak political topics. Only one aspect remained, but the aspect is the most important-the game community, which, in the competence of a huge number of people from this very community, for some reason should be silent about politics. This, in my opinion, has absolutely no adequate, objective reasons.

Games and without any statements of players are tightly immersed in politics. There are these games only and exclusively at the expense of players’ money. So why is it absolutely normal for the entire video game industry, except for its, in fact, the most important part – its audience? The question, of course, is rhetorical.

Players have the right to speak out on any topics, as you like to interpret artistic works, and even, about horror, to declare their beliefs at any moment that they consider for this action suitable. Yes, we smoothly go to where the discussion about politics and games has begun in society today in society.

Act Blizzard The example of the very injustice in relation to the audience, which, supposedly, should not, should not be covered by policies in the games and talk about it:

(!) We have a huge corporation that does not hesitate to declare that now adheres to classical Western values, including freedom of speech, and tolerance and many more absolutely beautiful things.
(!) This corporation has games that are not shy to represent visual examples of these values-such as, for example, images of strong and independent women, or images of LGBT characters.*
(!) This corporation openly supports holidays associated with frankly political phenomena and slogans – for example, Pride Month. That is, the corporation itself is integrated into modern political life.

But at the same time, the same corporation suddenly decides to shut up one of its players. Shut up for reasons of real political censorship by the company, so as not to spoil relations with China as with the second largest market on the planet. Plug up, hiding until horror with a blurry rule, which contradicts the above principles of this very corporation. Suddenly, some ridiculous excuses from the category begin to sound: “”We are apolitical“,”Politics has nothing to do with it“And t.D.

In short, the real hypocrisy for which Blizzard To this day, they are lying on the Internet (a special case with their banned player, to whom they later softened the punishment, and the player himself recognized his “wrong” – this is the catalyst for what happened, but no more, and the main claim, at least, in my opinion, is not). Linked, in my opinion, absolutely deserved.

Trying to exclude policies from games is absolutely pointless – whether we want it or not, but it affects them whether it is in them. Therefore, the audience is completely not obliged to remain an apolitical. Talking about politics is completely normal. And it doesn’t matter, the developers of games, publishers or the players themselves say about it.

Politics is an important part of our life, but trying to betray it some kind of special, sacred meaning in order to avoid its discussions-this, excuse me, in my opinion, is more like an escape from responsibility than some kind of sensible, balanced and reasonable decision.

* The activities of the International Public Movement of LGBT are recognized as extremist and is prohibited in the Russian Federation

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The material that you give was said about the deflection under the left trends. About why in the disassembled case they are not.

Yeah, just like in this case there is no “deflection” under China.

Yes. In short, when the company promotes the “left trends” – this is normal, do not pay attention, no one is bent under anyone. And when censorship goes in favor of China – guard! They encroached on the holy. Context, such a context.

Show me where the “Woman” option is when creating a character.Show me where the “Woman” option is when creating a character.

The game hasn’t come out yet. But if you are talking about the news that talked about the disappearance of the Paul Dick in the character editor, then she has long received a refutation. Everything from the same developers. Perhaps my jamb is that in the text version of my material I do not mention this. Although in the description to the video version of the material a link to this article is.

Actually your current material is a refutation to the assertion that the developers only “can make changes to their creations of their own free will and do not bend under politics.Actually your current material is a refutation to the assertion that the developers only “can make changes to their creations of their own free will and do not bend under politics.

My current material is hardly intersecting with the material about cyberpunca for the simple reason that these are two different material O different things. Material about cyberpanca talks about why the thesis that the Poles were bending with their cyberpunk under modern left -wing trends is not very wealthy. There are arguments in defense of the position that Cyberpank as a genre was always left -handed, had left sources. Initially.

There is no deflection there by definition. At worst, if you really want to, you can blame the founder of the genre of the levisy, but it is simply pointless to blame CDPr of this.

As for my current material in which I mentioned a scandal associated with close. An attempt to ban the player due to the fact that he expresses a point of view that may not like Chinese censorship, which in the future can prevent the company to earn money in the Chinese market-this is not identical to introducing changes to its game under the pressure of modern popular political trends. They don’t change the game here, but the player is banned. And not the incision, but the publisher. This action has an objective, clear, financial motive.

The introduction of modern “leftist” values ​​of such a clear and objective motive has no modern and objective motive. At least, in my opinion, for sure. We can only assume why some studios do as they do, in this regard.

You are trying to mix mine different Abstracts and arguments from different materials p different context. Please stop. I’m already tired of writing the same answers to your same same unreasonable nit -picking.

If there were no clear and understandable interest, they would not have banned.If there were no clear and understandable interest, they would not have banned.

Well, of course! After all, as we all know, in the game industry (as in any other industry where people are involved), exceptionally reasonable, rational, similar to us are similar to us from their paternoes (and we are all similar in these paternas). These are big uncles with huge mountains Denyak. To make mistakes, act within the framework of their views and not to think rationally, they cannot by definition. (No)

In general, of course, I separate the adequate left-wing-liberals from their radical and far from always sane layer (from those who are called SJW).

What other “layers”? I repeat once again-liberalism and SJW-IMM-these are two completely different positions. Things such as “sexual objectification”, “cultural appropriation” and “misgengering” (I don’t know if there is any Russian translation of the latter) cannot be in the liberal dictionary by definition. Not to mention the fact that in the 80s (when the genre of cyberpan was born) such terms did not exist at all.

Therefore, when CDPROJEKT removes the Paul Dick from the character, afraid to insult someone’s feelings-this is a deflection. When Blizzard removes the victorious pose at the request of Femka, this is a deflection. It doesn’t matter what was the motivation – a sincere faith in the ideals of “social justice”, or “alarm of virtue” with the calculation (not important correctly or not) on PR on Twitter. Even if the game has become better from it (only in fact did not).

And what can there be arguments for a person who does not see the difference between the “left” 80s and today.

Well, only we were talking about arguments to the statements of:

Exactly. Within the framework of Cyberpan – has. Within the framework of modern left ideology – no. Therefore, your “Ideas of Cyberpan = Ideology of Social.justice ” – complete nonsense.

You just equalized! Right here he wrote that https://spinsofglory.co.uk/ SZHV is a left-wing-liberal and they were always in the same camp with the ideas of Cyberpan.

Where did I write this? Not only that with understanding the context there are some problems, you also love to think out, apparently. Here is a quote from my words:

I understand that, most likely, I am very stupid, but even for me there is a difference between a direct identity and the same basics.

If we talk about cyberpanca and leftists – I only noted that they are from one camp. If we talk about the left-wy liberals and the SZHV-there is not a single message of mine where I would put a sign “=” between them. SJW is a tyrnet name of a radical and not the most adequate manifestation of a modern leftist contingent, as far as I know.

MB, not only modern to us, but that I personally did not hear that a number of radical leftists should not hear that.

Okay, we look differently at the fact that there is a “deflection”, at the motivation of developers and publishers and leftists.

We will stay with our opinions.

If you are talking about the news about the disappearance of the Paul Dick in the character editor, then she has long received a refutation. Everything from the same developers.

Nothing really is clear in the “refutation”. It seems to be determined by the voice, or something else. The fact remains – in the editor of the character from the last trailer, the Option “Woman” is absent.

There are arguments in defense of the position that Cyberpank as a genre was always left -handed, had left sources. Initially.

With the same success, it can be argued that the fantasy genre preaches the “right” ideology, because initially the right were monarchists, and in fantasy mostly the monarchy.

After all, as we all know, in the game industry (as in any other industry where people are involved), exceptionally reasonable, rational, similar to us are similar to us from their paternoes (and we are all similar in these paternas). These are big uncles with huge mountains Denyak. To make mistakes, act within the framework of their views and not to think rationally, they cannot by definition. (No)

In fact, huge corporations developing and publishing video games are always ultimately aimed at creative success and earnings.

Nothing really is clear in the “refutation”. It seems to be determined by the voice, or something else. The fact remains – in the editor of the character from the last trailer, the Option “Woman” is absent.Nothing really is clear in the “refutation”. It seems to be determined by the voice, or something else. The fact remains – in the editor of the character from the last trailer, the Option “Woman” is absent.

Lord, even if you do not believe the official information from developments. In any case, it is perfectly embedded in the genre. In cyberpanke various kinds of implants and augmentation are the norm of everyday life. Surprise-scurry, cybernetics allows himself not only to sew his hands and into the eyes of various scanners to embed ..

With the same success, it can be argued that the fantasy genre preaches the “right” ideology, because initially the right were monarchists, and in fantasy mostly the monarchy.With the same success, it can be argued that the fantasy genre preaches the “right” ideology, because initially the right were monarchists, and in fantasy mostly the monarchy.

I do not rummage in this matter, but I do not see any problems with the existence and such an interpretation of the sources of the genre.

But in the material in cyberpan, you wrote completely different: “… In fact, huge corporations developing and publishing video games are always ultimately aimed at creative success and earnings.”But in the material in cyberpan, you wrote completely different:” … In fact, huge corporations developing and publishing video games are always ultimately aimed at creative success and earnings.”

And you want to say that a generalizing/global statement somehow contradicts my sarcasm in response to your, in my opinion, very superficial and naive idea of ​​the structure of the gaming industry? In what place?

Publishers/outfits for creative success and grandmas are aimed? Yes. Among them are also far from the most intelligent people who do not the most reasonable actions? Yes. Whether the game industry consists exclusively of rational people whose act is part of some incredibly thought-out multi-way? No.

So what’s the problem? It may be enough to tear out from context and try to compare different theses from different materials that do not intersect with each other?

SJW is a tyrnet name of a radical and not the most adequate manifestation of a modern leftist contingent, as far as I know.

Exactly. And under this “contingent” all today’s corporations are bend with their initiatives against “toxic masculinity”, the European “primordially racist” culture and traditional family relations.

You call those under whom corporations (SJW-activists) bend “proof” in your “proof”. So either you have some jambs in the field of definitions, or everything that you write does not apply to reality at all.

Honestly, if you are now unable to understand, I no longer know how to chew you all more.

You call those under whom corporations (SJW-activists) bend “proof” in your “proof”. So either you have some jambs in the field of definitions, or everything that you write does not apply to reality at all.

Since I am the opinion that corporations are bending under leftists and left trends, I do not share, I often call SJW left -handed people. If it was confused – Sorryan, my jamb. But in general, of course, I separate the adequate left-and-liberals from their radical and far from always sane layer (from those who are called SJW).

And under this “contingent” all today’s corporations are bend with their initiatives against “toxic masculinity”, the European “primordially racist” culture and traditional family relations.

The abstract itself that all corporations are bend under the leftists – dubious. And the generalization is quite tough. In my opinion, if we talk about the game industry, as such “deflection” there are no. On her own example – we cannot name the negative examples of the influence of levaks and their trends on video games.

We can give examples of zealous projects, the developers and publishers of which were either covered by modern leftist excuses, or used the leftist in PR fibers, so that, as it seems, to pull out the most successful game from a completely pitch ass, to cover in it not very convenient methods for advance, sometimes very impudent monetization, etc.D.

The question of the effectiveness of such an approach, in my opinion, is still open. But similar projects themselves often suffer due to very objective problems in development, management, etc.D. That is, the “damned leftists under which they bend”, as it turns out, the relations of the quality of the final product do not have.

Based on this, it is not very clear that it is a deflection, and why, even if it is assumed that the deflection itself was, it is something bad, that claims are presented, if, analyzing the examples of the gaming industry, we see that this most often does not affect the final product.

To tell the truth, reading this dispute in comments under the blog was no less interesting than reading the blog itself.

But at the same time, the same corporation suddenly decides to shut up one of its players. Plug For considerations real political censorship

In cyberpanke various kinds of implants and augmentation are the norm of everyday life. Surprise-scurry, cybernetics allows himself not only to sew his hands and into the eyes of various scanners to embed ..

Yeah, and in some works of the genre there are modules for flight, so you can identify itself with a combat helicopter.

I do not rummage in this matter, but I do not see any problems with the existence and such an interpretation of the sources of the genre.

What and speech. Do not rummage about the “left” and “right”.

Publishers/outfits for creative success and grandmas are aimed? Yes. Among them are also far from the most intelligent people who do not the most reasonable actions? Yes. Whether the game industry consists exclusively of rational people whose act is part of some incredibly thought-out multi-way? No.

So what’s the problem?

The problem is that if you admit that in the leadership of corporations, not everyone adequately assess what is happening around and someone can act irrationally, then your argument from the previous material “But there are no rational prerequisites for deflection for leftists” flying to hell with the Dog.

Chapters.Ger can be a woman. Cyberpank as a genre has very left sources. It was more attentive to read the material from which you pented from the context of pieces to try to argue with this material.

That’s it. And the banks of players object to the promotion of LGBT* Politics, of course, are not political censorship. Yes, I understand – context is important. When they are banned by those who are against the leftists – there is no deflection, when they are banned by those against China – there is a deflection.

We have no reason to believe that the banks of players for homophobia are dictated by a “deflection”, since this action does not observe a clear and understandable financial interest from the company. Unlike the situation with the Ban of the Chinese player who expressed the point of view objectionable Chinese censorship.

But, in fairness, yes, I am also not enthusiastic about even potential ideological censorship, which over time can manifest itself quite hard in the banks of the so -called “toxic” players. But here, firstly, the grounds for making claims about the deflection themselves are not enough, and, secondly, the scale of the “tragedies”, so far, is incomparable.

* The activities of the International Public Movement of LGBT are recognized as extremist and is prohibited in the Russian Federation

And someone does not really take into account the context. The material that you give was said about the deflection under the left trends. About why in the disassembled case they are not. About why in context: “Cooked under Femok. »Policy on large companies does not affect if we are talking about the fact that Femki, gays, etc.D. Again, allegedly, they ruined some kind of game. This is first.

Secondly, even if there was a direct contradiction, it would be justified by the chronology of what is happening. I wrote a post on cyberpanka before the scandal and nearby turned in full force, after which some facts surfaced, which give reasons to believe that closely bended under China (that is, shelter, including political interest).

Thirdly, the Vedas are closely in this case by political interest exclusively nominally. They need money from the Chinese market. In pursuit of them, they went on an attempt to politically.censorship.

Yeah, and in some works of the genre there are modules for flight, so you can identify itself with a combat helicopter.Yeah, and in some works of the genre there are modules for flight, so you can identify itself with a combat helicopter.

Wonderful exaggeration. You won everyone and argued (no). The funny thing is that even your hyperbolized example has no problems with the existence within the framework of Cyberpan.

What and speech. Do not rummage about the “left” and “right”. What and speech. Do not rummage about the “left” and “right”.

An interesting conclusion. I answered about the origins of the fantasy genre, and their ironic interpretation. And you concluded about my knowledge for the “left” and “right”. Cool. Here without comments, Sorryan.

The problem is that if you admit that in the leadership of corporations, not everyone adequately assess what is happening around and someone can act irrationally, then your argument from the previous material “But there are no rational prerequisites for deflection for leftists” flying to hell with the Dog.

It is a pity that these theses of each other do not contradict, since each of them was put forward, again, in a certain context, which you, as usual, are omitted.

My statements that the industry was not without exception, the geniuses worked in response to your statement that if something happens in the industry, then in 100 percent of cases this has a rational reason. My statement that no rational reasons for deflection under the leftist by CDPR are associated precisely with the situation around Cyberpan and its developers/publishers. The Poles, it seems, had not yet given the reason to record them in the studio who create irrational game.

You tear out their context. You compare different theses that are related to initially different topics. What’s next? Analogy as an argument? Appeal to age? Please stop taking away my faith in humanity!

In the case of a cyberpunk there is no deflection. The genre itself provides for a number of extremely ideologized aspects (strong and independent women, transgender, transgumanism. But there is no reason to say that someone has been bent under someone, someone will promote something and plants something.

In the case of close and China, there is a nominal deflection. Deflection under Chinese censorship for access to the Chinese market. The deflection is expressed in a censorship scandal associated with a player’s ban on the basis of political censorship (desire to please China, establish relations with his top).

In my opinion, these are very different situations. I would even say, fundamentally. No one reproaches near this, for example. Since here, again, there is no reason to talk about deflection and propaganda.

This corporation has games that are not shy to represent visual examples of these values-such as, for example, images of strong and independent women, or images of LGBT characters.*

But the gang of a player who spoke out on a political topic, in order to not spoil relations with China (for his own financial benefit), is a definite deflection. For, allegedly, it is very difficult to find the motivation in the form of maximizing their own profits by indulging left trends.

* The activities of the International Public Movement of LGBT are recognized as extremist and is prohibited in the Russian Federation

The funny thing is that even your hyperbolized example has no problems with the existence within the framework of Cyberpan

Exactly. Within the framework of Cyberpan – has. Within the framework of modern left ideology – no. Therefore, your “Ideas of Cyberpan = Ideology of Social.justice ” – complete nonsense.

Interpretation that is actually nonsense. Because the “right” were monarchists in the era of the French Revolution. And today’s “right” to the monarchy have nothing to do with.

In the same way, the “left” in the 80s were liberals, and today authoritarian socialists. Therefore, your equalization of today’s “SS fighters” with the origins of the cyberpunk genre – the same nonsense.

In general, in a good way, all this had to be written in the comments to that material, but I just am in.

As I said, the only “context” is that in this particular case, close-ups centorized something with you agreed. Therefore, you scream-“Guard, political sights.»When the prostects announced that they would gain a focus group to meet the requirements of political correctness, and closely cooked with other companies to identify dissenters-you did not see any censorship in this, since it was directed at others.

Well, where among the protagonists Cyberpunk 2077 woman?

the gang of a player who spoke out on a political topic, in order not to spoil relations with China (for his own financial benefit), is a definite deflection.

That’s it. And the banks of players object to the promotion of LGBT* Politics, of course, are not political censorship. Yes, I understand – context is important. When they are banned by those who are against the leftists – there is no deflection, when they are banned by those against China – there is a deflection.

* The activities of the International Public Movement of LGBT are recognized as extremist and is prohibited in the Russian Federation

Show me where the “Woman” option is when creating a character.

Cyberpank as a genre has very left sources. It was more attentive to read the material from which you pented from the context of pieces to try to argue with this material.

I did not try to argue. Your material about the “left nature” of Cyberpanus is nonsense, from beginning to end. If you disassemble, you have to write a refutation to almost every phrase.

Actually your current material is a refutation to the assertion that the developers only “can make changes to their creations of their own free will and do not bend under politics.

We have no reason to believe that the banks of players for homophobia are dictated by a “deflection”, since this action does not observe a clear and understandable financial interest from the company.